For those of you that follow me online, you will have no doubt seen the post I made on Father’s Day, about the amazing DNA breakthrough that I made on my Family Tree, to say that I was excited is the biggest understatement of the year!!!
To give you some background, after I started researching my Family Tree, I quickly discovered that one of my Great Grandparents, Marguerite Longland Lukes had an ‘Unknown Father’ and this remained the case for around 20 years.
I left that in the ‘Too difficult to do box’!
Fast forward 20 years.
Like many Genealogist’s, I decided a couple of years ago, to take the plunge and take a DNA test with Ancestry. You can follow this series of earlier blogs here to flow my whole DNA journey.
What I discovered was that I was left with a string of results that I couldn’t make head nor tale of and two years later, after one of the steepest learning curves I have ever had to climb and I am slowly working my way through the maze of DNA Matches.
So how did I make the breakthrough and piece it all together?
Well initially it felt I was looking for a needle in a haystack, only I didn’t even know which haystack to start looking in! So I needed some inspiration, something to make the whole task a lot easier, that magic ‘lightbulb moment’.
It was whilst writing one of my #52Ancestors blogs that it suddenly hit me, like an express train! I had often wondered, with such an unusual middle name of ‘Longland’, was this in fact the Surname of our mystery Father? Easy to surmise or guess at, but how can I prove it?
So I decided to search on my Ancestry matches, for anyone with the surname Longland in their tree, it was worth a shot, results zero matches. So I left it for a while, then remembered that I had persuaded my Paternal Aunt to take a test for me, so I checked her matches with the name Longland, bingo five matches, with some decent size trees built between them. All the matches appear to descend from the same branch of Longlands, all from the Yardley are in Northamptonshire, not very close to Gravesend in Kent, but you never know.
So I sent off a message to all of the matched people with my questions.
One very kind lady in Canada, replied immediately and we exchanged a few messages and emails and between us we started to work our lines back. The difficult part was placing a Longland on her line, somewhere near Kent in 1883, of course there might not be anyway of doing that, or proving that. So systematically between us we followed all the male descendants going back to a James Longland born in 1732 in Yardley, it seems this line, like many of my other lines, was full of people that never left the confines of their own Parish!
I began to think this was a waste of time and maybe our match was. a red herring and on a totally different line and name, but my new ‘Cousin’ wasn’t giving up the fight that easily. One by one we eliminated them as best we could, until I found a possible candidate named Arthur Robinson Longland. Interestingly the family had a tradition of naming children with the middle names of the Mother’s maiden name! Not quite the same as my theory, but something that I latched onto, in the early stages of ‘clutching at at straws’! So I added Arthur to my tree, as the Father, to see what Thrulines would give me. An agonising 24 hours later and nothing absolutely no new matches, I was deflated, again thinking I was barking up the wrong tree. So once more I left it.
I must admit that I trawled online trees on Ancestry for weeks, looking for that one piece that would put it all together.
The next day I looked into this family line a bit further, don’t ask me why, but I had a look at the three brothers of Arthur and then by a massive slice of luck I struck Gold!!!
John William Longland Born in Yardley, Northamptonshire married in 1885 in Grays in Essex, two years after Marguerite’s Birth and literally a stone throws and the width of the Thames, away from Gravesend, the marriage even took place in the actual Church that I myself was Baptised in!!!! Serendipity overload!!
Could this finally be my Man!!!
I had to wait an agonising 24 hours again for Thrulines to kick in, the longest wait ever, then on Father’s Day of all days, Thrulines links me to 4 new DNA Matches all on this line!! So after a 20 year wait I now have a new Great Great-Grandfather, John William Longland and finally I have 16 out of 16 Great Grandparents.
So if you are a doubter as to what DNA can bring to the table, it can prove or disprove a theory and can open doors that a paper trail could NEVER open.
Only a Genealogist can feel the excitement that I felt this weekend. Its taken 20 years, some dogged determination, a great deal of luck as well, but I managed to find my first ever needle in a haystack!!! Let me know if you have discovered your own ‘needle in a haystack’.
Good job! Persistence and patience pays off, sometimes. I’ve got two great-great grandfathers unknown, so need to get to work on them. I have a good match who lives in Germany, who is probably related to one of them. Thanks for the inspiration to start digging in on that one!
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Thanks Christine, you need to keep plugging away, plus you need a slice of luck,as well. Good luck and let me know if you have any joy.
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Well done! Those lower cM matches can be tough to track down. I commend you for your persistence and patience.
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Thank you thats much appreciated
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Congratulations 🎉🎉🎉
I can imagine how happy you must be to finally identify him. It will be the icing on the cake if you find any further evidence of him living in the Gravesend area. It was fortunate that you had a relatively unusual surname for the potential father and most other family members were not in the vicinity, but your perseverance paid off.
My great grandfather had an illegitimate half sister who was baptised with the middle name of Hunt. I have one or two possible Hunt candidates for the father in the area but she died without any children so no DNA clues unfortunately.
Thanks for sharing how you made this breakthrough – it’s inspiring! 😀
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Thanks Jude, have to say the unusual name helped, plus they lived in a different area, so the chances of them turning up in exactly the same area that I was looking for was also a bonus. The final helpful thing was the family tradition of using married females maiden names as middle names.
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Wow that is exciting. I have been hoping DNA would help me track down a couple of unknowns but they are a little further back so no luck yet.
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Keep at it! With determination and perseverance and a little bit of luck you can do it
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Good for you and congrats. I can only imagine this feeling. Hopefully one day I’ll be able to blog a similar blog for my mystery. #HoundontheHunt #Beaton/BattenMystery
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You just need to keep at it, keep plugging away and slowly eliminate all the candidates
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Nice blog
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Thank you that’s kind of you to say
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I guess there’s a lot of try, fail, try and try again. Breakthroughs are great when they happen. Great post today Paul. Well done.
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Thanks Andi, it took a lot of time, perseverance, determination and of course a slice of luck!
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Luck is a very illusive thing indeed Paul!
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What a wonderful discovery Paul, congratulations. I loved your post. Your excitement was obvious and I read quickly right to the end to get the full story.
I too have a missing branch in my family tree. Your story gives me hope that I can eventually find it.
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Thank you so much Pauline, I’m glad you enjoyed my post and you could feel my excitement! I hope this inspires you with your own family tree and please let me know if you have any luck
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Hi Paul,
Thank you for the blog post – good work! I have pursued the same strategy four times and it’s worked out.
The first one is my 2nd great-grandfather who was adopted as an infant in New York, born in 1839. He is identified as Devier J. Lanphear in a Wisconsin name change document and his adoptive father’s will and his legal name became Devier J. Smith. There is an Isaac Lanfear with many children in the next town from where the Smiths lived, and I figured that Devier was probably a grandson of Isaac and his wife. But which son or daughter of Isaac was the parent of Devier? I still don’t know, but when I added a placeholder for the parent, added her to my Ancestry tree, and added Isaac and his wife and their known children, I got five DNA Thrulines on Ancestry and two on MyHeritage. The real challenge is identifying the other parent of Devier.
But, and it’s a big but, I haven’t proved any relationship through accepted genealogical research using the US genealogical proof standard. I have evidence of a common ancestor somewhere in my line through Devier, but it could be from some other couple in my ancestry and in the ancestry of those 7 DNA matches of mine. I would have to research each of those DNA matches trees to show that the Lanfear connection is the only possible connection. And it’s the same with the other three DNA match connections I have for other ancestors. I have evidence, but no proof. I have hypotheses but no conclusions. It has been very helpful though to narrow the search! I went from “no idea” to “probably this” on all four of my connections.
It’s the same with your “find.” It’s almost impossible to “prove” the DNA match relationships to the accepted level of proof that BCG or RQG requires.
Goodl uck with your research! — Randy in California
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Thanks Randy for sharing your story which is very similar to the process that I have gone through. You reach the point where you can only prove a point ‘beyond reasonable doubt’. My next thoughts are to try to trace the family forwards and try to find a direct descendant on this line to see if they will take a test, a lot of things will need to happen before I get to that stage, but it will help with proving my facts.
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Wow, that’s incredible. Glad you finally found your answer after so long of looking!
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This gives me hope to continue to slog along in search of the needle in my haystack!
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Hopefully you will feel inspired and with a bit of luck you might solve one of your brick walls
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This was uplifting, beautiful news. Need more stories like this, during these tough times here in NYC.
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Thanks Anthony that’s really kind of you to say I hope all is well with you and your loved ones during these tough times
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Excellent news Paul, and thank you for supporting the new Forum!!
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Thanks Sally! I think we are blessed in the Genealogy community with some wonderful people that are so kind and helpful. Great to see you guys carrying the forum forwards and hopefully this will grow into a really useful resource for everyone
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I love hearing about people’s successes and how they achieved them. Well done!!
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Thank you so much
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Congratulations on your discovery! I saw the news on twitter but it’s great to read the story behind it. Weren’t you lucky to discover that determined cousin in Canada…fabulous to have some company with you on the trail. Serendipity plays such a role in our discoveries, it’s as if it’s our reward for stubborn searching. I’m still waiting for a hit beyond my 2xgreat grandfather from Ireland but at least I have a couple of known cousins to compare as well.
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Thanks for your kind words and you definitely need a slice of luck plus the help of others again if you’re lucky to get cousins involved. Serendipity does definitely play a part and makes you wonder if somebody gives us a help in hand sometimes
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Reblogged this on Jude's Threshold and commented:
How brilliant!
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Thank you so much for the reblog it’s much appreciated 👍
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I’ve been wrestling with this issue in assembling my family tree this year. DNA has helped, but there’s still a big mystery–illegitimacy hush-up in the mid-18th century, I think–that I can’t seem to get past.
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Mid-19th century, actually (German immigrants with secrets to hide?).
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If you need anything German translated I can do that for you
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It takes time, lots of work but you also need that added but of luck along the way
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Thanks!
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Great Job! That is awesome…I have a similar predicament…with my Smith line…Of Course the fat that it is a “Smith” line is the issue! I really need to look really hard at it and see what I can find…
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Thank you! Sometimes you need a break or a slice of luck that can make the difference
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I really enjoyed reading about your voygage of discovery, Paul. It seems that a lot of families used maiden names as middle names – and that tradition certainly helped me to find and extend the paternal side of our tree. They did it on both the paternal line and the maternal/paternal side.
I have used excel for a long time (learned it at work!) but for some reason I never thought to use it to organise the DNA matches… so thank you for that idea! Since I am looking after half a dozen dna tests now (on my side and my husband’s) it would be really useful.
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Thank you Elaine, I think that DNA has been a steep learning curve for a lot of us, we have had to grow and adapt to keep up with the rate of change in DNA testing within the genealogy community. Additional tools and websites such as DNA Painter have been a revelation and have provided is with so much help to assist us with demystifying the DNA matches that we discover
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